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Is it normal that I can't understand?

Posted: 13 Dec 2023 01:14
by 2472
I spent a lot of time looking at the alphabet section, but I didn't understand much. I've always been bad at math, and the numerology on the site is really difficult. I'm sure this labyrinth takes a lot of time. I'm looking at it for as long as I can, but I think I need more time to understand it.

I saw a name that caught my attention in the articles on the site, and that was ZED ALIZ ZED. When I looked it up online, I found a few YouTube music videos that mentioned Satanism.

I also looked up the writing "abracadabra" on the first page. When I looked it up, I found a lot of different sources, but a few of them were related to Satanism. I'm not sure if it's appropriate to give an example, but one of them was a site called "satansheaven."

In short, I think you might be a cult. But I want to point out that I'm a busy person, and my conclusion could be wrong. I would appreciate it if you could give me feedback on whether I'm right or wrong. ^_~

Re: Is it normal that I can't understand?

Posted: 14 Dec 2023 02:21
by 2472
Sidewalk wrote: 13 Dec 2023 23:09 been lurking since middle school, graduating college this year. crazy i've followed this site for almost ten years. There were some nazis/theosophists that used to frequent these forums and leave ciphers.

the website itself, as best i can tell, is a unique form of hebrew gematria translated to the english alphabet. I don't think there really is any deeper meaning besides activating the reader's inner schizoaffective. This website introduced me to the rabbithole of conspiracy, ufos/alien obsessions (r/ufos), pseudohistory (graham hancock), the occult/magic/kaballah/mysticism/alchemy of many flavours (i.e. kriya yoga) (Crowley, regardie, duquette, franz bardon, jean dubuis, et al...)

A rewarding course of studies, to be sure, and things taken from authors like Jung and Campbell have surely improved my day to day life. Definitely a huge factor in me choosing to study neuroscience, and I plan to continue my academic research attending grad school investigating schizophrenia, psychedelics, and the 5-HT2A receptors.

Many of the people posting here that pretend they know what they are talking about most likely meet the DSM-V definition of schizoaffective/schizophrenia disorder. This is not a diss on people, I have worked with these populations in my studies (clinical research) and you come to recognize the disorganized speech patterns and disordered thinking.

I highly recommend the interested user to spend their time reading books, exploring psychedelics (lsd, psilocybin, dmt, ayahuasca, 5-meodmt, in that order), learning about meditation, and realizing that your Great Work should be rooted in your real, physical world so as to not fall off the deep end. There comes a point where browsing this website specifically becomes unproductive.
Actually, your comments are more logical and reasonable than most of the content in this huge site.

Especially the writings of the user called White Rabbit are not really sensible things. I think most of the 'enlightened' people in this forum are schizophrenic.

However, I am considering all possibilities because it did not seem right to me to delete this site by saying it is a sideshow. I will do some research for a while, maybe I will understand what enlightens these people, but I am a little prejudiced.

I just graduated from university and I have to work because of my economic situation, which limits my time a lot. It seems like it takes a lifetime to understand the convoluted conversations on this site. Maybe the creator of the website, who has a lot of time for this But I don't.

Re: Is it normal that I can't understand?

Posted: 17 Dec 2023 12:56
by OmManiPadmeHum
You allready discovered the context. This is a collection of ancient wisdom tried to be analyzed with multiple methods, some things don't have a meaning, some things have. At the end of the journey it's on you what you find for yourself. For me this site gave me a lot of insights in ancient thoughts, how culture was developed over time and what human tended to believe. For me personally it gave me inner peace knowing that there are things which are more important than my day routines. It's always a good thing to read about our past, but you got to have an interest for this.

I would also say this isn't a cult, it's a forum for like minded people which live for peace and peace only. It's also nonprofit, so the admins prohibit links for sales & such, so there is nothing evil behind it.


and no it's not satanic.

Re: Is it normal that I can't understand?

Posted: 18 Dec 2023 08:17
by OmManiPadmeHum
since the main focus on many pages is about the number nine I like to share this with you, so you get a hint what's so special about it since it's referenced in many aspects of the world. Numerology is not easy to understand, most things just have to be accepted without questioning which makes it really hard for some people to dive deeper into it. Imagine you have an invisible wall which is would be called "the barrier of understanding & logic". There are many things in live which dosn't make any sense, still they are what they are and work how they work. I think nobody in this forum would call himself an expert of it, still it's a great thing to talk about and sometimes you stumble upon something which definitly makes sens and gives you a better understanding about humanity and mankind. There's a german saying which goes like "Everybody said you can't do it, until someone showed up and did it".

here is a little collection about the number 9 which I found pretty interesting:

https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/fascinat ... ompassion.

Re: Is it normal that I can't understand?

Posted: 19 Dec 2023 03:32
by Maxim875407
Hi. Yes. It's a very strange site...Mysticism or something like that

Re: Is it normal that I can't understand?

Posted: 16 Jan 2024 12:30
by Redbeck
Dear Maxim875407, Thank you for your comment and welcome to the Oracle Forum community. Would you care to expand on your original view of what constitutes 'mysticism' and perhaps other members could offer their thoughts on the same subject, to help get the New Year moving forward,

Kind Regards Redbeck

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Re: Is it normal that I can't understand?

Posted: 17 Jan 2024 13:58
by BeN1
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ancient Egypt related stuff always makes a mystic impression to me, specially Giza plateau, the pyramids and the great Sphinx guarding it,
also the temple of Abu Simbel has an incredible mystic appearance,
thats what comes to my mind first when thinking about this.

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but regarding this site it really has its own mystic vibe I agree, pretty respectful achievement.

greetings
BeN1

Re: Is it normal that I can't understand?

Posted: 17 Jan 2024 18:44
by BeN1
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didn't know this before honestly,
but also the word in german is Mystik,
which I prefer, cause I think its a bit more "mystic" looking. :mrgreen:

it is somehow confusing, cause
mysticism=Mystik
and
mysticism=Mystizismus

the latter is a positive and negative term,
but I still think in first way german I realized and the word Mystik never had been negative to me,
cause I think its fitting for this site,
but its not negative in my head.
stuff that had a mystic flair always fascinated me like the Moai 🗿 from easter island,
still nobody really knows their exact purpose and why only on this island these iconic statues emerged,
very fascinating.

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greetings
BeN1

Re: Is it normal that I can't understand?

Posted: 20 Jan 2024 15:43
by JustAnotherFour
Mysticism, for me, means anything to do with direct, personal experience of the divine or the ultimate reality. Something transcendent or beyond ordinary perception. By 'divine', I'm referring to an abstract concept i.e the all-encompassing totality of existence, that which is greater than yourself... not as a reference to any particular deity or doctrine.

However, in regards to the original post, I certainly don't believe this website and forum to be part of a 'cult' or 'satanic'. I can only echo what has already been said above.

I've been browsing this site for around 6 years and I have had no negative experiences here, despite diving deep into many of the topics already mentioned (alchemy, magic, ancient civilisations, quantum physics, psychedelics etc). If anything, this website and the library of wisdom contained within has only positively contributed to my physical, mental and spiritual growth.

However I've found it crucial to stay grounded with these threads of thought in my physical reality, even when that reality starts appearing more malleable than I ever thought possible. Self-awareness is the beacon that lights the way to true spiritual discernment and growth. You learn to differentiate truth from illusion.

In a nutshell, I believe this website can help you peel back deeper layers of yourself and achieve self-realisation. However I don't pretend to understand exactly how it works on a metaphysical level or if there is really a puzzle or a maze to be 'solved' (other than the ones in your own mind). Going by what others on the forum have claimed over the years, enlightenment is also possible and honestly, I don't doubt that. But I can't say from personal experience.

One of my key learnings is that external reality, in essence, is a reflection of your internal state... and this website (and associated works) will change your internal state, given enough time and experience.

My advice to anyone interested:

Be patient. Prioritise wisdom and understanding over speed. You might be here for a month, a year or a lifetime.

Align your energies with love, balance and truth.

Conquer self-destructive tendencies like procrastination, anger and fear.

Keep reading the website (and referenced books!), evolve your consciousness and make up your own mind on what it is and what it means to you. It might just change your life trajectory.

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Re: Is it normal that I can't understand?

Posted: 21 Jan 2024 14:20
by BeN1
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a very interesting thread with all these different thoughts about this topic.

when I visited this page the first time people on other sites said things like this must be the work of some shizophrenic mad man.

but these people simply negate that besides the math and all these calculations
it offers a whole lot of quotes and pages from all kinds of different books,
that clearly indicates, that a mad man wouldn't be able to bring up this content in this way.
is like saying a monkey really could've typed a page of Shakespeare.

but also agree, that this red on black calculations and specially this AZAZAZ and Zed Aliz Zed writings make people curious and mostly people think if they don't understand something in this context therefore must be some kind of evil, satanic or mad/crazy stuff, but forget this is an artistic page also, so it isn't just a website only,
its also a form of an artistic work.

everything on the main page very well serves a thought out process, while the content in the forum also is generated and created by external users from all over the world.

about AZAZAZ and Zed Aliz Zed I only can say
is A1 Z8 so pretty much I see 999 instead of AZAZAZ and the Zed Aliz Zed I somehow always associate with Alice and the rabbit hole and all this, but its an interpretation.
still thats so great about this site I see it more as a great piece of Art, where everyone end up interpreting different, thats pretty respectful.

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greetings
BeN1

Re: Is it normal that I can't understand?

Posted: 22 Jan 2024 20:42
by Redbeck
Dear Ben1, thank you for your excellent start to “get the ball rolling” and keeping it rolling on the topic of mysticism, you are indeed a great asset and your affection for the site is most heart warming.

Best wishes Redbeck.

Dear JustAnotherFour, thank you too, for what is an intensely articulate and fluent rounded response on the subject of mysticism, impressive to say the least, plus immense thanks for your complimentary comments on 973-eht-namuh-973.com.

Hopefully, its content, compiled and created by David Denison is a lifetime’s work of accumulated wisdom which conversely offers a lifetime of physical, mental and spiritual growth to all those willing to embrace it.

Kind Regards Redbeck


The term "mysticism" has Ancient Greek origins subject to a variety of historically determined meanings. Derived from the Greek noun ‘mystes’ which is in turn derived from the verb ‘myein’ , meaning "to close" (especially relating to the eyes or mouth) or "to conceal,” and also signified a person who kept a secret.

Mysticism supposedly referred to the biblical, liturgical, spiritual, and contemplative dimensions of early and medieval Christianity. However, its definition appears to have broadened over time to embrace the practice of religious ecstasies (religious experiences during alternate states of consciousness), together with whatever ideologies, ethics, rites, myths, legends, and magic may be related to those religions.

Yet how can we deny the gods and goddesses of Ancient Egypt and Greece their place in this definition. The first records of Egyptian civilization date back some 6000 years, while the timeline of ancient Greek civilization customarily commences around 3000 years ago. Nor can we exclude the Druids of the British Isles. The era of Druidry that the Irish and Classical authors describe lasted from perhaps 400BCE to 600CE – about a thousand years. In fact, it was only by the sixth century that all of Europe had become Christian, and overt pagan practice had probably ceased to exist. The Mayans from 2000 BCE, Adivasi and Dravidians of the Indian subcontinent, Paleoindian Native American cultures across North America, Aborigines across Africa, China and Australia; all pursued elementary mysticism in a sense.

To give a sense of scale, Dean Inge, in his ‘Mysticism in Religion,’ quotes no fewer than twenty-six different definitions of mysticism to which he adds others. All of these refer to religious experience, more specifically to communion with God, of an intense and direct nature.

Therefore, it is quite obvious that even attempting to distil down to the very essence of mysticism has become a considerable undertaking, which undoubtedly can be enhanced as whole by all your individual views, so please keep the reply posts to this thread coming.

Thank You Redbeck


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Gianlorenzo Bernini’s sculptural masterpiece the Ecstasy of Saint Teresa

Re: Is it normal that I can't understand?

Posted: 24 Jan 2024 11:47
by Beware
This forum functions as a honeypot for schizoaffective types, as well as for those simply seeking greater meaning in life (i.e. 'enlightenment'). Surely, the intention of the site is to lead people to the mystical line of thinking in which we discover greater truths through the experience of various practices that are to be performed religiously, such as the reading of sacred texts, meditation, yoga, etc.

If one is to truly find enlightenment, it will not be found here, but rather in the kind mind that this website espouses. The impersonal Great Work of humanity begins with a great work upon and within one's very self; which is to deny the self of it's various earthly desires and instead seek one mindedness with the spirit of holiness, whom will fill thee with new desires.

Now, if you do this and also consume the sacred medicinal plants, you will begin to notice that there is a realm beyond the physical reality that we are familiar with. Indeed, there are many planes of existence for which the conscious experience may ascend through and experience before returning to the mundane.

The final key, and the resolution to suffering, even the end of time, lies within the 'exiting of the matrix', so to speak. In order to do this, you must form a new vehicle for the mind and place the seat of your consciousness 'above' the physical reality that binds us. This is what it means to be born again, or to be 'born of the light', even the 'Merkabah'. This is the true purpose and meaning of baptism - to be wholly submerged in the realm of the spirit.

Re: Is it normal that I can't understand?

Posted: 25 Jan 2024 10:18
by Whiterabbit
You actually have more of a understanding than you think as the website pertains to the number nine. As nine is the anti-number. You might have notice the context from the religious books such as the Bible (old testament only) nine comes up; like the verse "here is wisdom that hath understanding count the number of a man; and his number is sick hundred and sixty six." The rules of numerology is numbers can't be more than one to nine. 6+6+6=18 and 1+8=9. Other holy books have similar passages that calculate to nine, in most cases it is a very boring study.
The numbers on the website clearly state that numbers are sacred and they must be written as they letters hold the symbols and patterns of structures. Mathematics are the root of all science, engineering and architecture. Plus if you really want a easy explanation do the test Albert Einstein invented when he tested those by saying "if I were a six year old child, how would you reworded it?". If they can't, then he knew right away that they didn't know about it themselves. Anyone can regurgitate knowledge and still not know anything about the knowledge they regurgitate. You don't need to sit and study every page, the point of I thought clearly indicates nothing can exist without thought IE an idea, the next step is the equation and finally the layout for what structure you want to create. The evocation is to call up Zed Aliz Zed and Zed Aliz Zed is the God of numbers. I don't think Zed Aliz Zed is benevolent as the results I obtained and because of that my curiosity on how to open Portals lead me to some unfortunate results. Let's not ignore the elephant in the room, David Denison did all his equations and patterns on this site using a hand number counter, thus explains the graphs. Not once did I brag that I solved this site, I was seeking like minded individuals in desperation as I was instructed to do so.