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Redbeck wrote: 27 Jan 2018 23:30
infidel wrote: 26 Jan 2018 16:57 I really do like it as an encryption though :D. Might just start talking in numbers, screw this planet.
Evening Infidel, yes indeed alpha to numeric translation as in speaking and especially writing in numbers has immense value, because you see the subject connectivity amidst important issues with far greater clarity because of the visual impact of the patterns that emerge. Try taking it to the next stage it's worth it as a milestone of understanding.

By the way as a moderator I've edited out the F-word from your original post, this is in accordance with the communication house rules, intellectual and moral codes we adhere to.

Kind Regards Redbeck

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Hey there, thanks for editing. Guess i did kinda walk in with my shoes on lol.

I see what you are saying. Dangerous territory feels like because the different forces at play.
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infidel, exemplary response on your part, and you're right we are battling some dark forces in order to save this rotating life orb of of ours from destruction. To be honest in terms of the relationship between humankind and the natural world, which must be fundamentally sustained as it feeds us all, the pagan Earth religions appear to tread a more spiritually connected path as a saviour, than many other more prominent global faiths.

Closer to the earth and all its needs, with a heightened ability to interpret signs and remedy distress. And it is absolutely true that our lives are ruled by the elements, sun, wind, rain, snow and fog, along with the existence of forests, lakes and rivers as both habitat and gathering points, cyclically replenished fertile soil, the tidal pull of the moon on our oceans, as well as more destructive forces such as volcanic eruptions, earthquakes and rising sea levels. Thus we should take greater note of this aspect, I feel, and absorb a greater component of these beliefs into our personal spirituality.

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I have found in my personal research whom Jesus, Mary, Joseph, Mary Magdalene and the disciples are to be an allegorical story of ancient Egyptian history. The story of Jesus is also parallel to stories such as Osiris and Horus.
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Selene wrote: 12 Feb 2018 03:34 I have found in my personal research whom Jesus, Mary, Joseph, Mary Magdalene and the disciples are to be an allegorical story of ancient Egyptian history. The story of Jesus is also parallel to stories such as Osiris and Horus.
Warm greetings Selene and welcome to the Oracle Forum community and thank you for your observation which is well made.

Personally I find the study of different faith systems and their interconnection entirely fascinating. Yes indeed there are many people believe who consider Jesus as the latest in a series of ‘copycat’ saviours who in essence are all replicas of one another.

Yet these are the aspects of the story of Jesus which are frequently bandied about as supposedly copied/borrowed from the story of Horus and the supporting evidence is flimsy at best, so serious counter claims are included:

Horus was born of a virgin called Isis on the 25th of December in a cave.

Horus’ mother was undoubtedly Isis but no where was it claimed that she was a virgin, rather a goddess married to Horus’ father, Osiris. According to Plutarch, the legend of Horus’ birth, revolved around Isis copulating with the dead body of Osiris and Horus being conceived from that act. Neither is there any historic evidence that Horus was born in a cave, there are however claims that Horus was born in a swamp, which is a more plausible tale on the fringes of a water abundant Nile Delta. Horus’ birth date is disputable, Plutarch recorded it as being around the winter solstice, while other sources claim it was in late November.

His earthly father was named Seb, which translates into Joseph.

In Egyptian mythology, Seb is designated as God of the Earth and is never described as the father of Horus.
According to some accounts Seb [which definitely does not translate to Joseph, best effort is Geb] was Osiris’ father, so there may be a mix up of these two facts.



His birth was foretold by a star in the east, which three wise men followed to see him.

There is no historic record of any such event, plus even the bible doesn’t actually state the number of wise men.

He was baptised by Anup the Baptiser.

There is no evidence or written account to support the existence of this character

Horus had 12 disciples.

Several sources mention Horus had four followers but none describe 12, however he was supposed to have considerable numbers of metal workers at his disposal which may account for the story

Horus performed miracles, like raising Osiris from the dead and walking on water.

True, Horus as a deity did perform some miracles. However, there is definitely no account of him walking on water or raising Osiris from the dead. The fact is Osiris remained in the underworld and became God of the dead.

He also gave a sermon on the mount.

There is no evidence or account of this claim. relating to Horus.

They both were crucified between two thieves before being buried for three days and being resurrected.

The first historical record of crucifixion was around 519 BC, performed by the Persians. The first written evidence of Egyptian deities in Egypt appears in the Early Dynastic Period which ran from circa 3,100 to 2,686 BC.

Both were known by the following titles: Christ, anointed one, the way the truth and light, messiah, son of man.

There is absolutely no evidence or account of this claim relating to Horus

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Selene those links are so valid and incredibly interesting. I have heard the story before where some commentators are saying it was the son of Caesar borne by the Egyptian queen Cleopatra who became Christ as Caesarion.

Caesarion, born in 47 BC, was known as the king of kings and the lord of lords. Plutarch, who appeared to have a documented finger in most theoretic pies alluding to Christ’s real persona, said that Caesarion was sent by his mother to India via Ethiopia with a wealth of treasure but upon returning on the advice of a tutor and was killed by Augustus Caesar.

This theory declares that the name Jesus actually means ‘son of Isis,’ which in turn reflects the idea that Cleopatra was the divine reincarnation of the Egyptian goddess. The wise men, three or otherwise, were foreign ambassadors visiting the coronation of Caesarion as pharaoh in 44 BC, and the star over Bethlehem was in reality a famous comet known as the sidus Iulium [Julian Star] or Caesaris astrum [Star of Caesar]. Caesarion was also taught the healing practices of the Egyptian mystery schools by his mother. He successfully fled to India, the home of two other incarnate gods - Lord Krishna and the Buddha - where he became familiar with the secrets of Eastern mysticism. He was assisted in this endeavour by a Hebrew tin merchant named Joseph of Arimathea and his royal cousin, Mary. Now the tin merchant observation is credible, because it was Joseph of Arimathea who had been a regular traveller to Britain that planted the Glastonbury Thorn tree in southwest England in what is now the county of Somerset, which was a smelting and trading area at that time, while the adjacent counties of Devon and Cornwall supported a flourishing tin mining trade.

The Glastonbury Thorn is associated with arrival of Christianity in Britain and flowers twice a year the second flowering supposedly to celebrate the old calendar birth of Christ.

In India, Caesarion became known as St. Issa [Issa is the Arabic equivalent of Jesus and a prophet in the Koran] and eventually died in Kashmir. The legend of Jesus Christ was created after the fact based on the spiritual achievements of Caesarion, whose bloodline amalgamated the royalty of Rome, Egypt, and Israel. The theory goes on to state that Caesarion - and by connection, Jesus Christ - was a reincarnation of Alexander the Great through the Macedonian bloodline of the Ptolemaic dynasty of Egypt, whose founder was known as Soter [saviour].

The foundations of the rise of Christianity, was a result of Alexander’s spreading of Hellenism throughout the Middle East. Alexander died at 33, traditionally the age at which Jesus was supposed to have been crucified.

Somewhat paradoxically one might say, the theory also maintains that the suffering endured by Jesus was part of a karmic debt due for the military conquests of Alexander.

Behold head of Caesarion

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karabakh What can you say about when this war ends?
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What do not the lovers of theorious theories write to the illusions? Napoleon's defeat, the killing of Kennedy, the September 11 events, and even the unexpected victory of Barack Obama in the elections ... Who is the true figure? Or do they exist generally exist today?


Since Den Bra's "Angels and Demons" bestsellers and the same title have been released, the word "illuminates" is unambiguous. Some think that the secret illumination is nothing but the author's fantasy product. Others discover the roots of the history of Den Braun's novel.
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I MASSON How can I want to be?
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How can I become a member of the MASSON?
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How can I become a member of the MASSON?
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ibad wrote: 28 Feb 2018 20:07 How can I become a member of the MASSON?
If you mean freemasonry it is quite simple. Find a local lodge and apply, if they deem you to be of good heart you will be initiated into the first degree.
Feel free to send me a PM or an email. Expect faster responses by email.
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I can not find a local lodge, so I'm looking for ways to find them
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